Comments on: Will Jesus find faith?? http://nathanwood.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/will-jesus-find-faith/ take heed...now learn...watch therefore...be ready Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:51:15 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: nathanwood http://nathanwood.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/will-jesus-find-faith/#comment-184 nathanwood Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:10:03 +0000 http://nathanwood.wordpress.com/?p=191#comment-184 Hi Angel, happy for the response. What I'm basically saying/asking is if Jesus will find real faith from people about who He is and who the Father has declared Him to be, i.e., the only way, the only truth, and the only light and the redeemer and savior of the world. I believe Jesus is hitting this point when He asks the question in Luke 18; He wants to know if people will believe in all of who He is. I appreciate your questions but I disagree about how you see the "pleadings of the prophets" in the O.T. I think its pretty clear that most of the major prophets knew what they were asking the people to believe. At least its clear to my mind. Hi Angel, happy for the response.

What I’m basically saying/asking is if Jesus will find real faith from people about who He is and who the Father has declared Him to be, i.e., the only way, the only truth, and the only light and the redeemer and savior of the world. I believe Jesus is hitting this point when He asks the question in Luke 18; He wants to know if people will believe in all of who He is.

I appreciate your questions but I disagree about how you see the “pleadings of the prophets” in the O.T. I think its pretty clear that most of the major prophets knew what they were asking the people to believe. At least its clear to my mind.

]]> By: angelcollins http://nathanwood.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/will-jesus-find-faith/#comment-183 angelcollins Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:34:13 +0000 http://nathanwood.wordpress.com/?p=191#comment-183 Nathan! Joining the discussion - Just so you know, and from this point on, anything I say is only to further conversation and examine thought. I am not trying to tear anything down, nor do I necessarily believe everything I write, though I play devil's advocate. Please know that my intentions are pure even if my language may not be! On the subject of faith: Your argument struck a chord, as it were, because it seems that faith has become so narrowly defined. You wrote "true faith regarding the person of Jesus is the object of the Fathers pleadings through the voices of apostles and prophets. Faith that is embraced through the wisdom, arguments, equations, reasonings and philosophies of men is not ultimately real and true faith." There may have been pleadings pre-Jesus because the prophets did not know what they were asking the people to believe. They had to believe solely on the word of God. But post Jesus, we have basically the complete knowledge of where all things were leading, though we need the holy spirit to comprehend. So, though we search for God through the wisdom, arguments, equations, reasonings and philosophies of men, and find faith therein, that does not mean that it is not true faith. Thomas saw and had faith because of what he had seen (that is truly what the seen and believed means in that verse), even now, all it takes is that mustard seed size faith to move mountains. If you take all those man made mechanisms and still come out believing in God, that takes more faith than to spend years in the church never researching, only believing what was told to you. So what faith will Jesus find when he returns? Faith in his person, or faith in these entities we call church, who, for some, has determined their walk and which may not be faith at all, but mere obedience to the words of man. I love your blog, Nate! Nathan! Joining the discussion – Just so you know, and from this point on, anything I say is only to further conversation and examine thought. I am not trying to tear anything down, nor do I necessarily believe everything I write, though I play devil’s advocate. Please know that my intentions are pure even if my language may not be!

On the subject of faith: Your argument struck a chord, as it were, because it seems that faith has become so narrowly defined. You wrote “true faith regarding the person of Jesus is the object of the Fathers pleadings through the voices of apostles and prophets. Faith that is embraced through the wisdom, arguments, equations, reasonings and philosophies of men is not ultimately real and true faith.” There may have been pleadings pre-Jesus because the prophets did not know what they were asking the people to believe. They had to believe solely on the word of God. But post Jesus, we have basically the complete knowledge of where all things were leading, though we need the holy spirit to comprehend. So, though we search for God through the wisdom, arguments, equations, reasonings and philosophies of men, and find faith therein, that does not mean that it is not true faith. Thomas saw and had faith because of what he had seen (that is truly what the seen and believed means in that verse), even now, all it takes is that mustard seed size faith to move mountains. If you take all those man made mechanisms and still come out believing in God, that takes more faith than to spend years in the church never researching, only believing what was told to you.

So what faith will Jesus find when he returns? Faith in his person, or faith in these entities we call church, who, for some, has determined their walk and which may not be faith at all, but mere obedience to the words of man.

I love your blog, Nate!

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